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Beware of some "instructors"
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11-08-2004
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
Hysterical! Talk about slooooooooooooooow hands! Slow hands 'in' are good, but not when trying to recover from a spin! I think he was about 3 seconds late with enough correction.
I surmise that this little 'off' was instigated by a nice little lift immediately after turning into the uphill at a speed that was just not going to work. I didn't see any speed adjustment before turn-in at all. Anyone?
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
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Originally Posted by sydude
I surmise that this little 'off' was instigated by a nice little lift immediately turning into the uphill at a speed that was just not going to work. I didn't see any speed adjustment before turn-in at all. Anyone?
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yes, "it was the wrong lift in the wrong place at the wrong time......"
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11-08-2004
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
I just had to watch that video again. Why does it make me smile so much when he goes 'F-CK!' when he puts that thing on it's lid?
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11-08-2004
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
I say we move this thing to 'Race Tracks and Instruction'. I think it's one of those good ones where we can analyze the crash. Ok?
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11-08-2004
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
Simply put... Panic, lift, spin, F__k!
He gives an unhappy grunt during his exit of 4 and then says "Damnit Dude... keep F__kin' up 4th gear!" after his upshift, so he's got bees buzzing in his head. He may also be keying off of the Porche in front of him, not really paying attention to his own limits and the limits of his own car when the "Oh S--t!" moment occurs. (What car is he driving? Don't know the interior?)
He really loses it early. You can hear tire squeal starting before the apex. The car is sideways through the apex. Big lift, yes... Slow hands, yes... He doesn't know or trust the compression of the uphill enough at the speed he's carrying to drive it in on his tires so the spin rolls him through on his side and roof instead. (I guess the chicane curbing is really what launched him over? Kind of hard to tell.) It looks like he rolled it through the chicane because he winds up in the grass to the inside.
I recognize the "F__k!" as being that universal instant moment of recognition, after the fact (while on your roof or in the tire wall:-), of the sequence of 4 or 5 compounding mistakes that you wish you'd recognized sooner and interrupted, saving all the crash damage you are now sitting in.. (We laugh with recognition)
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11-08-2004
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
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(What car is he driving? Don't know the interior?)
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The link I got this from said something about it being a Subie
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11-08-2004
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
A subie? HHhhhmmm. I have no clue.
After a few more viewings, our boy seems to hook it so early that he actually rolls it in the grass below the chicane... Talk about early turn in! He gets it so spun in, so fast that you wonder if he had a left rear going down. (Probably not)
I now think his expletive is a direct reaction to the final settling of the car when the roof and windshield crunch in on him. That last nasty in your face indignity of how much bustication has occurred. "F--K!"
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11-08-2004
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
Yes, he was early, but that's because he went in there WAY too fast. Higher speeds require more radius. He figured it wasn't going to work early enough, but didn't really respond well.
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08-19-2005
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
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08-19-2005
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
I love when he tries to put his sunglasses on the console.... realizes that won't work, so puts them on the roof!!
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08-19-2005
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
i love that he is just sitting in the car after it has rolled. it takes a corner worker to say "if i were you i'd get out". yet in his writeup, he says he waited till the cars past to get out.
i think that he went in too fast but it almost looks like he was turning too much and if he would have made it thru he only would have been in the middle of the road instead of on the left side. i think the car spun b/c he was pinching the turn and almost turning too late. when i take the uphill i feel like im much more parallel to the apex than he was. i'm almost pointed to the middle guardrail and finish my turning uphill where i have more weight on the suspension.
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08-22-2005
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Re: Beware of some "instructors"
I put the "Crash Aftermath" video up on the TJR server. Enjoy! (.wmv file, 8.1 MB)
http://www.teamjuicyracing.com/vids/crashaftermath.wmv
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